To train Tailoring past 75 in World of Warcraft: Forever, learn Journeyman Tailoring from Sellandus in Stormwind, Jormund Stonebrow in Ironforge, Me’lynn in Darnassus, Magar in Orgrimmar, Rhiannon Davis in Undercity or Tepa in Thunder Bluff. You need Tailoring 50 and character level 10, and it costs about 5 silver before any reputation discount.
The tailor who started you often cannot help, even with the right title. Every capital has one trainer who stops at 75 and a second one nearby who takes you further, and the first one’s title reads “Journeyman Tailor.” Below is who is who in each city, the other trainers around the world, what to do if the option will not appear, and where to go at the next two walls. Trainers and prices are as of November 8, four days after launch.
Who Trains You Past 75 in Each Capital
The title under a tailor’s name reads one rank higher than the rank they teach, which is what sends people to the wrong one. A “Journeyman Tailor” teaches Apprentice, and an “Expert Tailor” teaches Journeyman.
| City | Stops at 75 (“Journeyman Tailor”) | Teaches past 75 (“Expert Tailor”) | Where to find them | Map spot |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Stormwind | Lawrence Schneider | Sellandus | Mage Quarter, in a different building from Duncan’s Textiles | About 42.0, 76.2 |
| Ironforge | Uthrar Threx | Jormund Stonebrow | Stonebrow’s Clothier, The Great Forge | About 43.6, 28.2 |
| Darnassus | Trianna | Me’lynn | Craftsmen’s Terrace | About 62.6, 22.6 |
| Orgrimmar | Snang | Magar | Magar’s Cloth Goods, The Drag | About 63.4, 50.0 |
| Undercity | Victor Ward | Rhiannon Davis | Magic Quarter | About 70.6, 29.6 |
| Thunder Bluff | Vhan | Tepa | Central Bluff | About 44.2, 45.0 |
If you cannot find them, Blizzard’s new player’s starter guide says to ask a city guard and follow the marker on your map.
Other Trainers Who Teach Journeyman
You do not have to go to a capital. These teach Journeyman too:
- Grarnik Goodstitch in Booty Bay, Stranglethorn Vale, for both factions.
- Mahani at Camp Taurajo in The Barrens, for the Horde.
- Charles Worth at Talismanic Textiles in Dalaran, for the Alliance. He also teaches Expert, so his “Expert Tailor” title is the one that means what it says, though the Horde cannot enter Dalaran.
- Othesia Evengale in Valanaar and Taleen Shimmerthread in Shen’dar Village on Zephras Isle, where the Skyborne begin.
The town tailors below stop at 75, so do not make a special trip: Eldrin at Eastvale Logging Camp in Elwynn Forest, Grondal Moonbreeze in Auberdine, Bowen Brisboise at Cold Hearth Manor in Tirisfal Glades and Kil’hala at The Crossroads in The Barrens.
If Journeyman Will Not Appear
Work through this in order:
- Check your skill. You need Tailoring 50. Press K to see it.
- Check your level. You need character level 10, however high your Tailoring is.
- Check the trainer. If the title reads “Journeyman Tailor,” you are at the wrong one. Use the table above.
- Using a gamepad? Blizzard’s November 2 development notes fixed a problem where gamepad users could not train when a skill upgrade was the only thing on offer. If the button still does nothing, try the mouse, and turn off any add-on that changes the trainer window.
When to Train
You can learn Journeyman as soon as you hit Tailoring 50, and that is the time to do it. Your skill stops rising at 75 without it, and a long stack of crafts can run out at the cap without giving you anything. The cheap way there is Bolt of Linen Cloth to about 30, then Linen Belts to about 55, then Bolt of Woolen Cloth from there. Our Tailoring leveling guide has the full route and the cloth to save from each zone.
Journeyman also opens new patterns on the same trainer’s list. Blizzard’s Legacy system overview pays a Legacy Point at 150 skill in each crafting profession, once per account, so the next stretch earns you something too. Our Legacy Points guide covers the rest.
Where to Train at the Next Two Walls
| Rank | Skill cap | You need | Alliance | Horde |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Expert | 225 | Tailoring 125, level 20 | Georgio Bolero, Duncan’s Textiles, Stormwind; Charles Worth, Dalaran | Josef Gregorian, Magic Quarter, Undercity |
| Artisan | 300 | Tailoring 200, level 35 | Timothy Worthington, Theramore Isle, Dustwallow Marsh | Daryl Stack, Tarren Mill, Hillsbrad Foothills |
Expert costs about 50 silver before any reputation discount. The titles fool people here too: Georgio Bolero and Josef Gregorian, the “Artisan Tailors,” teach Expert, and Sellandus and Magar, the “Expert Tailors,” do not. Horde tailors outside the Eastern Kingdoms need the zeppelin for this one; our guide to getting to Undercity from Orgrimmar covers it. Enchanters face the same kind of wall at 150, and our best professions for each class guide explains why the two pair so well.
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Frequently Asked Questions
Where do you train Tailoring past 75 in WoW Forever? At a Journeyman trainer: Sellandus in Stormwind, Jormund Stonebrow in Ironforge, Me’lynn in Darnassus, Magar in Orgrimmar, Rhiannon Davis in Undercity or Tepa in Thunder Bluff.
What do you need to learn Journeyman Tailoring? Tailoring 50 and character level 10. It costs about 5 silver before any reputation discount.
Why will the Journeyman Tailor not train me? The title reads one rank above what that tailor teaches. A “Journeyman Tailor” teaches only Apprentice and stops at 75, so look for the “Expert Tailor” nearby.
Who teaches Journeyman Tailoring in Orgrimmar? Magar, in Magar’s Cloth Goods in The Drag. Snang, also on The Drag, stops at 75.
Can you train in Dalaran as Horde? No. Blizzard says the Horde is attacked on sight there, so Horde tailors use the trainers in their own cities.
Where do you train Tailoring past 150? Georgio Bolero in Stormwind or Charles Worth in Dalaran for the Alliance, and Josef Gregorian in Undercity for the Horde. You need Tailoring 125 and level 20.