The 5 extra talent points in World of Warcraft: Forever come from Talented, a Legacy perk in the Adventure tree. At full rank it starts your talent points at level 5 instead of level 10, so from level 9 all the way to 55 you have five more points to spend than a character without it.
What it does not do is raise the total. Blizzard’s Legacy system overview says Talented “allows players to unlock talent points up to 5 levels lower than normal,” and when the beta ended, the perk’s tooltip at full rank read: “You gain talent points every level starting at level 5 instead of starting at level 10, but you still may not have more than 51 total talent points.” Below is what each rank does, how many points you hold at each level, how to unlock the perk, and who should buy it. Checked November 12, eight days after launch.
What Talented Does at Each Rank
Talented has five ranks, and each one moves your first talent point one level earlier. As of the end of the beta, the ranks worked like this:
| Talented rank | First talent point at | Extra points while leveling |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Level 9 | 1 |
| 2 | Level 8 | 2 |
| 3 | Level 7 | 3 |
| 4 | Level 6 | 4 |
| 5 | Level 5 | 5 |
You still earn one point per level after that, so the head start carries all the way up until you hit the 51-point limit.
Talent Points by Level, With and Without Talented
| Level | Normal | Talented at 5 of 5 |
|---|---|---|
| 5 | 0 | 1 |
| 10 | 1 | 6 |
| 20 | 11 | 16 |
| 25 | 16 | 21 |
| 30 | 21 | 26 |
| 40 | 31 | 36 |
| 55 | 46 | 51 |
| 60 | 51 | 51 |
The bonus starts shrinking at level 56, when the normal count closes in on the limit one point a level, and by 60 both characters have the same 51 points. That is the catch: Talented is a leveling perk, not extra power at the cap.
What the five points buy you is the milestone talents early. Milestone talents open at 11, 16, 21 and 31 points in one tree, so with Talented at full rank they arrive at levels 15, 20, 25 and 35 instead of 20, 25, 30 and 40. Two examples from Blizzard’s notes: an Enhancement Shaman’s Stormstrike, now the 16-point talent, lands at 20 instead of 25, and so does the Mage’s new 16-point Arcane Wrath. Our guide to when talents unlock has the normal schedule and every milestone.
How to Unlock Talented
- Unlock the Legacy system. Blizzard says you get access “as soon as you earn your first Legacy Point,” which for most players is “when their first character reaches level 25.” Reaching 150 in a non-gathering primary tradeskill, or exploring the entire world map, also does it.
- Open the Legacy window with Y and go to the Adventure tree.
- Fill Well Rested first. When the beta ended, Talented sat in the second group of the Adventure tree, which opens once you have 5 points in that tree, and it also needed Well Rested at full rank above it.
- Buy all five ranks of Talented. Read each tooltip as you go, since Blizzard has not published a full rank table.
That puts the full package at 10 Legacy Points: 5 in Well Rested and 5 in Talented. Each character can spend only 16 at launch, so Talented takes most of a build. Well Rested is no waste, though: Blizzard says it “increases the rested experience cap and allows rested experience to accumulate faster,” which our XP buffs guide explains.
Who Should Take Talented
Alts, first of all. Legacy Points belong to your Battle.net account, so a brand new character can spend the points your first one earned. Buy Well Rested and Talented on day one and your first talent point arrives at level 5. Our best Legacy talents guide pairs them with Thrill of Adventure and Frequent Flier for a full alt build.
Your first character, rarely. The Legacy system only opens at about level 25, and a lone character earns points slowly: levels 25, 45 and 60 pay one each, and crafting professions pay at 150, 225 and 300 skill. By the time a first character has 10 points for the Adventure tree, much of its leveling is behind it, so its early points do more in Thrill of Adventure or Working Overtime. Our Legacy Points guide lists every way to earn them.
Nobody at level 60. With 51 points either way, Talented and Well Rested have nothing left to do at the cap. Swap them out when you reach 60: Legacy talents reset at your class trainer in a major city, for a fee, as our Legacy respec guide explains.
Other Ways to Get More Talent Points
There are none that go past 51. Nothing in Blizzard’s WoW Forever development notes or hotfixes adds a quest, item or purchase that grants talent points, and Talented’s own tooltip keeps the 51-point limit. Two things sound similar but are not extra points:
- Dual Specialization at level 40 gives you a second talent build to switch to, not more points in one build. Our dual spec guide covers it.
- The new 16-point milestone is an extra talent to aim for in every tree, not an extra point.
Since the October 15 beta build, the level-up message also shows the talent points you gained, so you can watch the head start appear from level 5. Every WoW Forever guide we have is on our World of Warcraft hub.
Frequently Asked Questions
How do you get 5 extra talent points in WoW Forever? Buy all five ranks of the Talented Legacy perk in the Adventure tree. Your talent points then start at level 5 instead of 10.
Does Talented give you more than 51 talent points? No. Its tooltip says you still cannot have more than 51, so the bonus is gone by level 60.
How many Legacy Points does Talented cost? Five for Talented itself. When the beta ended it also needed Well Rested at full rank, so plan on 10 of your 16 points.
When do milestone talents unlock with Talented? At full rank, the 11, 16, 21 and 31-point talents arrive at levels 15, 20, 25 and 35.
Is Talented worth it? On an alt, yes: every talent milestone comes five levels sooner while you level. On a level 60 character it does nothing, so respec out of it at the cap.